The Bible and LGBTQ Inclusion: Honoring the Journey of Colby Martin

In this episode of Honoring the Journey, Leslie revisits a conversation with author and former pastor Colby Martin after a technical issue ruined their first recording at the Wild Goose Festival. Colby shares his personal journey from being raised in a Baptist family and sensing a call to ministry as a teenager, to pastoring at an evangelical megachurch in Arizona—where a single Facebook post celebrating the repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" triggered a confrontation that ultimately led to his termination. He describes how studying the Bible's so-called "clobber passages" using rigorous evangelical scholarship led him to become fully affirming of LGBTQ inclusion, and how that conviction put him at odds with his church's leadership. The discussion also explores his evolving understanding of God—moving from a separate, personal being to a grounding presence of love—and his critique of how Christianity has reduced faith to intellectual belief rather than embodied action. Colby also introduces his forthcoming book, But What About?: The Most-Asked Questions on Faith, the Bible, and LGBTQ Inclusion, a follow-up to his earlier work Unclobbered, which addresses the common follow-up questions people still have after engaging the biblical texts on homosexuality.