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Debanking and Bitcoin Business Accounts in the EU | Prashanth Chandrashekar SLP782

Debanking and Bitcoin Business Accounts in the EU | Prashanth Chandrashekar SLP78219 okt38 min

<p>Prashanth Chandrashekar argues that much of Europe&#39;s debanking comes down to how banks score transfers. Money arriving from a crypto exchange&#39;s account is treated as a higher-risk third-party payment, while a transfer between two accounts in your own name passes with far fewer flags. Bringin&#39;s answer is a named virtual IBAN for each customer, which he says lowers the risk of being debanked rather than removing it.</p><p>Prashanth, who is from India, started Bringin after moving to Estonia holding Bitcoin and finding he couldn&#39;t easily spend it. He now runs the company&#39;s consumer app and its new business accounts.</p><p>They cover MiCA&#39;s licensing reset, which by his figures left only about 30% of earlier firms licensed but lets the survivors passport across the EU; accounts closed without explanation under tipping-off rules; and how named IBANs differ from the deposit IBANs exchanges hand out. On the consumer wallet, built on Spark, he is direct about the trade-offs: operators are mostly centralized and can see payments, though they cannot move funds alone.</p><p>On Bringin for Business, he describes pilot users such as mining-rig sellers paying suppliers abroad, plus stablecoin support and accounting exports. The custody model differs from the consumer app: keys sit in a hosted Turnkey enclave with spending policies, Bringin holds an extra key in multi-director setups, seed export is discouraged, and ownership changes run through Bringin&#39;s backend. Third-party euro payments were promised within days of recording, and corporate cards are not yet available.</p><p>Disclosure: Stephan is a small investor in and advisor to Bringin.</p><p>Timestamps:</p><p>00:00 — Intro</p><p>00:37 — MiCA: Costly but Passportable</p><p>03:28 — Debanking: Why Banks Block Exchange Flows</p><p>07:04 — Named vIBANs vs Exchange Deposit IBANs</p><p>11:25 — Spark Self-Custody and Its Trust Trade-offs</p><p>13:03 — Why Banks Are Harder on Businesses</p><p>15:22 — Who Joined the Business Pilot</p><p>18:08 — Beyond Debanking: Accounting Headaches</p><p>20:31 — Business Keys in Turnkey Enclaves</p><p>24:53 — Key Rotation Runs Through Bringin&#39;s Backend</p><p>26:24 — Roadmap: Third-Party Payments, No Cards Yet</p><p>30:45 — Next Customers: Stablecoins and Agents</p><p>33:31 — Regulation Outlook: DAC8 and Data Risk</p><p>34:39 — AI Agents, MCP, and Payments</p><p>Links: </p><ul><li><p><a href="https://x.com/prashanthc123"><u>https://x.com/prashanthc123</u><