James Clyburn: "The World Would Much Rather See a Sermon Than Hear One"

The day after Election Day, guest host Bryan Green introduces Mikes conversation with South Carolina Congressman James Clyburn to discuss his book, The First Eight: A Personal History of the Pioneering Black Congressmen Who Shaped a Nation. Clyburn reflects on the stories of the eight Black lawmakers who served in Congress during Reconstruction and shares how their struggles and political choices mirror modern challenges. In the conversation, he touches on lessons from his father about faith and public service, the extraordinary legacy of Robert Smalls, the role of voters in shaping congressional power, and why history serves as a cautionary guide for American democracy today.

Produced by Corey Wara

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